🎙️Ep 60. "It Doesn't Have to Be Perfect, But It Does Need to Be Effective": Embracing Imperfection for Entrepreneurial Success

 In Episode 60 of Fearless Thinking, Michael Devous tackles the pervasive issue of perfectionism and its impact on entrepreneurial success. He explores how this "disease" can hinder progress, stifle creativity, and prevent entrepreneurs from launching their ideas into the world. Michael shares his own struggles with perfectionism and offers practical strategies for overcoming this trap, emphasizing the importance of prioritizing effectiveness, embracing imperfection, and adopting an iterative approach to bring your vision to life. Tune in to discover how to break free from the chains of perfectionism and unleash your entrepreneurial potential. 

Key Highlights:

• Perfectionism as a Hindrance: Michael discusses how the pursuit of perfection can prevent entrepreneurs from taking action and achieving their goals.
• Embracing Imperfection: He highlights the value of embracing imperfection and launching products and services even if they're not 100% polished.
• The Ascend Hub Community: He introduces the Ascend Hub as a supportive community where entrepreneurs can test their ideas, receive feedback, and overcome perfectionism.
• Effectiveness over Perfection: He encourages a shift in focus from chasing perfection to prioritizing effectiveness and excellence.
• Iterative Processes: He advocates for an iterative approach to product and service development, emphasizing the importance of learning from feedback and continuously improving.

Impactful Quotes:

• "It doesn't have to be perfect, but it does have to be effective."
• "Perfectionism is a trap... It is literally the fear of failure, the fear of criticism, and the fear of not being good enough."
• "A mistake that you learn from isn't a mistake. It's a lesson."
• "Stop procrastinating, because your ideas are important, and the world needs to hear them."

Key Takeaways:

• Don't let perfectionism hold you back. Launch your ideas, even if they're not flawless.
• Seek feedback and iterate. Use feedback to refine and improve your products and services.
• Prioritize progress over perfection. Focus on making progress and taking action.
• Find a supportive community. Connect with other entrepreneurs who understand your challenges.
• Shift your mindset. Embrace imperfection and view mistakes as learning opportunities.

Important Links:

• The Ascend Hub: https://theascendhub.com/
• Michael Devous Website: https://michaeldevousjr.com/

Transcript

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Hey there everybody. 

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And welcome to Fearless Thinking, a 

podcast designed to help you navigate

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authentic leadership and the 

entrepreneurial journey. 

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I'm your host, Michael Devous

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And these are my thoughts, lessons and 

insights from my entrepreneurial 

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journey into coaching workshops, 

motivational speaking, and of course, 

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what I picked up from interviews with 

inspiring leaders and entrepreneurs 

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along the way.

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My mission is to help people unlock 

their untapped potential by using fear 

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as a catalyst for powerful change and 

growth,

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so they can step into the greatest 

version of their most authentic selves.

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All right, let's get into some fearless 

thinking

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Hey everybody.

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Welcome back to Fearless Thinking 

podcast.

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I'm your host, Michael Devous

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Episode 60

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60 episodes.

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I mean,

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I guess,

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I guess that's a lot. 

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I don't know. 

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I mean,

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it's tough to find

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trigger, how to, like, how do I find 

value in

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sixty?

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Because for me it's like,

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I record these things, and I shared my 

thoughts and my ideas around them, or 

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whatever. 

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And I'm like, well, you know,

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eventually somewhere, a spark is going 

to happen and someone's going, we're 

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going to see progress, we're going to 

get lots of numbers to subscriber it remembers.

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And,

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you know,

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I sit in front of this camera,

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there's nobody on the other side of it. 

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And it can get lonely and isolating, 

but I somehow believe that

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on the other side of it, there are 

people out there, you know,

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listening and sharing and thinking and

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pausing and playing and enjoying.

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And

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I don't know, it's real for me, I 

suppose maybe that's the actor in me, 

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just envisioning the audience beyond 

the camera.

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But episode sixty is a milestone. 

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This year

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we launched in April.

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It took some

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time off in

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duly to August,

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and

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we have started out ball 2024 and 

episode sixty. 

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You know, it doesn't have to be 

perfect, but it does to be effective.

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Embracing imperfection for the 

entrepreneurial success

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there's

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there is this

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perfectionism disease, if you will.

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I think a lot of us, as entrepreneurs, 

already have it, because I think we're 

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like, type a personalities out the dogs,

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if you want to call it. 

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That perfectionist,

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whatever it is,

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there's a part of us that really does 

seek

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this concept in our head, that 

something has to be perfected,

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at least to us, right, to a certain 

degree, before we

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put it out into the world,

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you know. 

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And I think it's important for us to 

understand that.

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You know, as perfectionist in stuff, do 

we find ourselves wrestling with the 

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idea, we're endlessly tweaking the 

website, tweaking our product line, 

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tweaking our sales, pitch, tweaking our 

offer,

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obsessing over every single detail

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prior to the launch, and agonizing over 

every single word of the pitch before 

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just getting it done.

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And if that's your if that's, you 

you're not alone.

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So many of us do this, I think that's 

why, like the idea of the ascend tub, 

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because we could practice

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these things with each other in a safe 

space, in an environment where we could 

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practice the pitch, we could practice 

the launch, but you can practice the 

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website. 

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We could get. 

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Everyone in this, in the ascendant is 

part of a bigger focused group that 

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helps you be successful.

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And so if you're not ready to bring it 

to market, you're not ready to share it 

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with everybody, but you can share it 

with us. 

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They're inside, you know,

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we're here to work to help you with 

that perfectionist

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behavior. 

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So it stops holding you back, but gives 

you a chance to, like, let us get a 

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glimpse at things first. 

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Then you can go back and keep tweaking. 

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But at least you've put it out there, 

at least you've allowed it to be seen 

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for a moment. 

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Because, you know what it's interesting,

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sometimes

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we are the thing that

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gets in the way. 

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And the very thing that we should have 

done is just let it out, just put it up 

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there. 

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As imperfect as we might think it is, 

as not ready as we might think it is, 

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maybe that's ready for 1000 people, 

maybe that's perfect for 10000 people. 

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Maybe that is exactly what they needed 

to see at that time.

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And we didn't know it,

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right?

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And so I think it's, I think

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there's some value in being

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helping us understand, helping you 

understand how we may understand, that 

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that's possible. 

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That just on the other side of our 

perfectionism is a world of individuals 

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that see what we've done as perfect,

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already there, that on the other side 

of what we felt was

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incomplete,

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not ready,

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is perfect and ready for so many other 

people. 

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there's there's something to be said 

for sharing that part of you, that part 

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of your journey, that part of your

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package, your service, your offerings, 

your

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products

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with the world,

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so that you can hear from them,

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you can hear from your perfect 

customer, your client,

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your audience, whatever it is. 

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So you can hear from them what it is 

that they mean,

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what? 

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You know, did it land? 

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Did it resonate? 

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And if it did, prior to you thinking it 

was perfect.

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How about that? 

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What does that tell you about the 

product you just created, the service, 

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you just created, the offer you just 

created? 

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If, in fact, it already was perfect for 

ten people?

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And you, or you would have spent months 

tweaking it and waiting,

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but it was perfect for these people at 

this time.

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That's interesting, and I think that's 

important data for us to gather and 

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have about our process, and about what 

we're delivering, and about what 

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happens when we put it out into the 

world for

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its own benefit.

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I used to be, well, I still am, a card 

carried member of perfectionism club.

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I have very specific things that I will

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grind my teeth on

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brand,

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website,

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created,

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I just want. 

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But then I realized

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I've got to get it out there. 

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I've got to get something up and 

running.

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And then I get lost and distracted on 

other things, other creative projects. 

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And I need to come back to that thing 

and tweak it a little bit more, and 

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tweaked it a little bit more, and quick 

it a little bit more.

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I think there's always ways to do that. 

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It's like the artist that's like mangoe 

or Picasso, you know, they had to put 

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their art. 

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They had to let the canvas drive

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some time.

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I mean, how did pollock ever know he 

was finished

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with all those dots and splatters

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if he didn't step back from the canvas 

and be like, hoof,

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let it. 

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Let the paint drive people. 

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This canvas is done. 

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I got to move on to a different, a 

different, painting to day, right?

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I thought,

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you know, in the world of business, 

that everything had to be flawless 

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before I could put it out into the 

world. 

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And that's what we strived with, 

strived for in event production.

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And shows you notice that we strive for 

that perfect performance, that perfect 

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execution of something for the client,

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and that's ok, strive for that.

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Live events teaches you, if it teaches 

you, anything nothing's ever going to 

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be perfect.

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You can't. 

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You can't plan for the world,

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the billions of variables that are 

going to happen at a live event for 

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1500, let alone 50000 people. 

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Like,

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come on, it's not possible.

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But what you can do is create a really 

well oiled machine and a framework for addressing

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those variable as they come up. 

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But that mindstep, that mindset, that 

has to be flawless before it can get 

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out into the world, will keep you stuck.

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You know, I was so afraid of making any 

mistakes out whatsoever, that I ended up

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making not making anything at all, like 

not getting it done and getting it out 

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there. 

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And I've had my sister and, among other 

people, telling me, just get it out there,

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get it out there, get it started. 

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Which is why I started. 

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That's what I did with the ascent of, I 

wanted it to be perfect. 

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I wanted things to be in there. 

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And I was like, just open the Doors.

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Just get it up, get it running. 

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Open the Doors, let people look at it. 

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If they don't like it,

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fine, they may not. 

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Ok?

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But

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at least I did it, and it's up and it's 

running. 

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And now I can start tweaking the things 

that are in there. 

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Now I can start playing around with 

them, adding some new features and new 

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functions, some new content, 

programming workshop, whatever. 

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But I have the time to do that. 

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And I now have feedback from 

individuals who care about it enough to 

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let me know this is what they need, 

beyond by

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desire for it to be perfect before it 

reaches them, it's not doing anybody 

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any good. 

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Sitting on a shelf waiting to become 

perfect. 

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Nobody gets that benefit at all. 

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Perfectionism is a trap. 

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You know, it's not

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just about wanting to do everything 

good.

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It's a fear based mindset.

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It is literally the fear of failure, in 

the fear of criticism and the fear of 

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not being good enough, coming to light 

and standing in the way of your project 

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getting done. 

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And it is a real creative killer.

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So we have to shift our focus

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from effectiveness over perfection,

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right? 

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How do we break free from the 

perfectionism

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trap. 

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I mean, I think it's important to 

understand that chasing

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perfectionism

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is like the dragon chasing its tail.

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I think

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we

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should learn to set and establish 

certain Scales of perfect,

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Scales of good, Scales of excellence 

about that.

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Every bar that we create for, every 

time we launch a new product or a 

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service or whatever, we have to have a 

bar of excellent that we would like to 

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achieve in order to make sure that it's 

ready for public consumption.

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And I think it's ok to have that bar 

and know that that bar is an adjustable framework.

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But you create a base of excellence,

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which we learn from our value systems 

and our consistency, and our work 

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ethic, and all those different things.

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And from that baseline, we can begin to 

explore new ways of developing these 

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ideas, these thoughts, these products 

and services, and bringing them into 

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the world. 

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We've already started with the base of 

excellence here. 

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So it's really not that far to get it 

out there and get it ready for people 

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to consume and give us feedback on how 

we can improve it in order to make it 

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better for them. 

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That's really what we're trying to do. 

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Anyway, we want it to serve the public. 

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We want it to serve them where they are 

who want it, to make sure that it's 

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valuable to them in their circumstance 

at that time.

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Well, how do we do that if we don't get 

feedback from them? 

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Well, in order to get that feedback, 

we've got to put it out there,

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to break free from that perfectionism 

trap. 

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It takes practice. 

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We have to shift our minds. 

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And instead of chasing that perfection, 

we need to focus on effectiveness,

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excellence and effectiveness. 

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I think excellence is a nice word 

instead of perfect. 

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Because I think excellence can be a 

thought that is constantly being 

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adjusted and tweaked for us as we learn 

more about ourselves, about the 

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environment, about the

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marketplace and about our customers. 

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Right?

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It means prioritizing progress over 

perfection.

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And it means launching that product, 

even if it's not 100 polished.

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This is the world of apple. 

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This is the world of iterative 

technology. 

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This is the world of conbon. 

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You know,

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that was introduced to us with the 

onset of the internet and the new 

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technologies that we use today,

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the smart machines, computers, phones, 

tablets, whatever.

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They had to get these into the hands of 

consumers in order to get it out and 

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running and get feedback. 

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And what do they do? 

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They created instant speedback 

mechanisms so that the current,

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uh engineers, manufacturers and 

developers of these things,

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are tweaking the product that is 

literally coming down the line with 

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your input and your feedback, because 

you've got the new one in your hand. 

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And then guess what? 

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In eight months, you're going to change 

over and buy them by the next one. 

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Hello. 

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Who raise your hand if you haven't 

bought the new philosoph

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every single twelve months,

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right?

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It used to be two years, then it went 

down from two years to eighteen months, 

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and from eighteen months to one year. 

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And for no one year, I think, it's 

eight months,

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is the cycle now for the predictability 

of a new, of a new version, of that 

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particular product that you have in 

your hand. 

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And we want the new thing. 

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We want the next thing. 

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We want it because it's approved,

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no, it improved, no. 

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And improve. 

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Knew and improve, right?

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How's the time, I think they come out 

with new and improved things that don't 

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even improve anything at all,

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and you're like, what's new and 

improved about that.

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You know, it does exactly what it did 

before.

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But I bought it anyway because the 

packaging was pretty it's that it was 

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new and improved.

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So remember, launch that product, even 

if it's not 100 percent polished. 

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It means getting your message out 

there, even if it's not perfectly 

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worded. 

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Now

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that being said,

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edit

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grammar, correct people like, it's not 

that horror. 

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Get an editor. 

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Check a grammar checker. 

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Spelling

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like

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the English language it's what we all 

use right now it's what we're using. 

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Please ensure that you are using it 

correctly, and check your spelling, 

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check your punctuation,

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check that stuff.

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Because I type like a mess.

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I swear to, I swear, I'm

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dyslexic when I type.

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And that's because I didn't have good 

typing skills, and I never took a 

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typing glass. 

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I just

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bang the keys out with my fingers,

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and

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I have to look at them if I'm going to 

do it right, because I don't have them 

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memorized. 

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And I misspelled so many things all the 

time, I'm

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constantly

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putting it into a spelling thing,

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and checking my spelling it, and 

checking my grammar.

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And

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I value that personally. 

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I think that's valuable.

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And if you're going to put work out 

there,

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you're going to put copy out there.

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It may not have been perfectly worded. 

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But it better be well spelled, and I'd 

better be comprommatically correct.

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So at least keep that's your bar of 

excellent. 

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Ok, that's the bar.

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perfectly worded, is up here, bar 

of excellence is, spelling and

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grammar.

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We can all agree that that's common, 

it's easy to do.

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It's literally written in books for us. 

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So we can keep our bar of excellence at 

that level

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for us. At the Ascend Hub,

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you know, understanding that perfection 

is part of our process and part of our success.

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And we encourage

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experimentation

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and iterative

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processes,

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learning from our mistakes. 

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And they're not mistakes,

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learning from,

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I wish it was a different word for it.

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Mistake that you learn from it's a 

mistake. 

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It's a lesson.

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That's all, that's just a great lesson. 

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And you've added a piece of technology, 

a piece of information, a piece of data 

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and experience into your tool chests 

that you haven't had before.

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That's valuable, you know, that's not a 

mistake.

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So your lesson, you're learning that

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it's not a mistake.

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So, er, yeah, anyway, creating 

environments in our community. 

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That is a safe space where you can test 

your ideas. 

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We are the focus group where you can 

bring all that stuff to us. 

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And when try them, try them out. 

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You know, if you need that feedback, 

and you want that iterative process 

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before going to market with your 

message, with your mention, with your 

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product and your services, then the 

Ascend Hub can be a great incubator space

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to help you test some of those things 

first before bringing it out into the 

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world, you know, which I think is 

great. 

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I love that, because it's a small test 

group and it's in close as private. 

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We're a private group.

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And we're not going to eat your lunch 

over it. 

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We're just going to help you

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tweak it and get that feedback that you 

want. 

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But we're also going to encourage you 

to get it out there.

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Stop procrastinating, because your 

ideas are important, and the world 

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needs to hear them.

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So if you're ready to ditch that 

pursuit perfectionism and just Embrace 

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the messy, beautiful life that is in 

the process of creating something truly effective,

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then you can join us at the Ascend Hub 

and let us help you unleash your

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entrepreneurial potential.

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Tell me your story, tell me your 

pitfalls and the things that get in 

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your way and your struggles with 

perfectionism. 

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I'd love to hear more about that and 

thank you. 

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Join me this week, episode sixty. 

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Happy Friday. 

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Everybody. 

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Have a wonderful weekend.

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Don't chase perfection,

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just chase excellence.

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It's all you gotta do me, keep that bar 

moving

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and have a wonderful weekend. 

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Think fearlessly. Be

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good to yourselves and to everybody 

else.

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All right, stay safe. 

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And I was to you next week